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Post by swiftfoxmark2 Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:03 am

A Stern Yet Fair Criticism of Today’s Conservatives

Scott Lazarowitz wrote:Among conservatives in general, I am in the minority in actually opposing Big Government, and think that moral laws are absolute and that no one is above the law – not even agents of the State. Alas, today’s conservatives in general have been supporting a huge growth in centralized, bureaucratic federal government, at home and overseas, and are not actual conservatives. Many conservatives have abandoned traditional moral values that respect life, liberty and property, and have abandoned the principles of the Rule of Law and God-given rights as recognized by the Declaration of Independence, and have for many years embraced the interventionism of socialist central planning and the expanded intrusive State.

For some inexplicable reason, while many conservatives have shown skepticism of much of Washington’s Big Government domestic agenda, such as the recent medical and financial takeovers and other usurpations and power grabs, when it comes to foreign policy they seem to show a dangerously blind faith in the State.

I believe that one main reason why Americans including conservatives are out of touch with traditional values of morality and personal responsibility is the century-long proliferation of collectivism in America. War is a collectivist concept. To be blunt, war has been waged for the sake of war, for the sake of power, and to strengthen the power of the State, regardless of the emotion-filled rhetoric the politicians and other nudniks have spewed upon us to rationalize it.

In the Bush Administration’s and now Obama Administration’s wars and anti-terrorism short-term fixes, conservatives have been supporting an emotion-driven carte blanche unleashing of the federal Leviathan that has enabled so much corruption, usurpation of due process rights, as well as violating the absolute Rule of Law against killing innocent human beings. But this abandonment of American principles and contradiction of the Declaration of Independence is nothing new.

When conservatives opposed U.S. entry into World Wars I and II, they were incorrectly labeled "isolationists," when in actuality they were "non-interventionists." In Woodrow Wilson’s taking the U.S. government into World War I to "make the world safe for democracy," his grandiose plan backfired against the U.S., because it was an abandonment of the Rule of Law and George Washington’s and Thomas Jefferson’s wise anti-"foreign entanglements" doctrine.

Intervention begets further dysfunction: Woodrow Wilson made the world safe for World War II.

A few years into post-World War II Cold War, conservatives joined the anti-communist crusade, exemplified by National Review Founder William F. Buckley, Jr., writing that "We have to accept Big Government" to prevent communism from spreading to our shores. But it’s the conservatives who have seemed like communists in their supporting a huge federal Leviathan, and supporting the forced, intrusive "spread of democracy" abroad (and the destruction of life, liberty and property abroad that goes with it).

Many conservatives oppose domestic interventionism, but for some reason foreign policy is different. Many just don’t seem to recognize – or want to acknowledge – that the U.S. government’s intrusions and aggression into foreign lands have elicited much anti-American sentiment especially from inhabitants of Middle-Eastern territories.

For example, the 1953 CIA-led coup that replaced Iranian Prime Minister Mossadegh with the Shah gave Iranians 25 years of brutal dictatorship, so it should have been no surprise that such U.S. government interventionism would inflame anti-Americanism in Iran and throughout the Middle-East, and would lead to the 1979 taking of American hostages in Iran.

More fuel for anti-Americanism continued with the U.S. government’s providing Iraq with weapons and intelligence during the 1980s Iran-Iraq war. From the mentality of socialist central planning bureaucrats in Washington, the U.S. government aided Iraq in a "strategic planning" effort to counter the Iranian Revolutionaries, when it would have served America better in the long run to stop interfering in Iran’s, Iraq’s and other countries’ affairs.

Such socialist interventionism backfired much more intensely against the United States after the U.S. government’s invasion and destruction of Iraq beginning in 1990. The U.S. government’s non-retaliatory1990-’91 invasion of Iraq and subsequent destruction of water and sewage treatment facilities, and blocking the means necessary for rebuilding through sanctions throughout the 1990s, led to widespread disease, increased cancer and child mortality rates in Iraq, and further inflamed anti-Americanism. Sometimes I wonder if today’s conservatives, especially the younger ones, even know about those U.S. government actions during the 1990s. It seems that many people are now eager to do the same things to Iran, rather than learn the lessons of history.

After the September 11th, 2001 terrorist attacks, conservatives abandoned their otherwise intuitive distrust for the State and fell prey to George W. Bush’s emotionalism and fear mongering, leading to a blind acceptance of what has now been one intrusion after another of domestic spying and unnecessary airport searches, a policy of randomly rounding up totally innocent people in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan, and remote-controlled drone bombings and killings of innocents, especially non-combatants, women and children. How can someone claiming to be a "conservative" and to believe in moral values support these kinds of immoral State-executed actions? And how can any conservative rationally support the Big Government Leviathan that has been shown to be nothing but counter-productive against America?

Despite repeatedly hearing from terrorists themselves the terrorists’ actual reasons for their terrorism – the U.S. government’s constant intrusions into Middle-Eastern territories for six decades – conservatives still fantasize that it’s because the terrorists dislike America’s freedom and values. But the truth is that they don’t like America because our government has been committing the most intrusive, invasive and harmful acts in their territories for many decades, since well before 9/11.

Unfortunately, the internationalists and collectivists, from the Wilson Progressives to the Bush neoconservatives, have considered a "moral" government as one that actively involves itself in the business and lives of others, domestically and internationally, using both government social workers and government soldiers. But that misuse of government has been the source of many problems and conflicts. In practical terms, the desired results of society’s collectivist planners are not actualized in the long term, because government intervention and socialist central planning involve violations of liberty and property, and cause further destruction of society. That applies to both international and domestic interventions.

Let me put it this way: If I hire a bodyguard, his job is to protect me from the aggressive acts of others. I don’t want him to do anything else. I don’t want him to go into the neighbors’ home next door to organize their home for them, and I certainly don’t want him to act aggressively against others. But if he starts a fight with someone, or interferes with someone else’s fight, at that instant he is making me more vulnerable to subsequent aggression by the objects of that bodyguard’s aggression.

Governments that impose intrusions into other territories or start wars make their own populations more vulnerable. Poking Middle-Eastern hornets’ nests has made Americans less safe.

But I believe that the Rule of Law is absolute. Never intrude into the lives, liberty or property of others anywhere. No theft, no trespassing, no killing of innocent human beings, period.

Call me old fashioned.

To the Founders, a moral government does not violate any individual’s right of sovereignty, one’s right to life, liberty and property, in or outside of America. And the denial of due process is not only contrary to the Founders’ original intent, but conservatives may very well have been supporting policies that could be used against them by presidents and their flunkies who do not believe in the idea of inalienable rights. We have already learned that about Elena Kagan.

We really must decide whether or not "all men are created equal," and "are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights." To be a truly moral society under absolute Rule of Law, a society must decide in the affirmative.

I wish that conservatives agreed with me on that.
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Post by Doc Trock Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:34 am

I also wish conservatives agreed with the author of that article. I sure do.
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Post by Owen 16 Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:51 am

I think in many cases, the author should have used quotation marks around the word "conservative." For instance, he said this:

Many conservatives oppose domestic interventionism
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when what I believe he really should have said is "Many 'conservatives' oppose domestic interventionism."

Like most of the left in this country, many "conservatives" only oppose domestic interventionism when it suits their purposes. For example, many "conservatives" oppose domestic interventionism when it comes to economic freedoms, but have no such opposition regarding same-sex marriage or drug use. The left opposes government intervention is areas of sexual relations, but holds no such opposition regarding health issues, etc.

I would agree that most of what passes for conservatism today is in support of big government ideas, and only opposes big government in certain areas. But I'm in a real quandary about foreign policy. I'm certainly not in favor of war; and while I believe that the original invasion of Afghanistan was an acceptable response to the attacks of September 11, 2001 (although I think we would have been better served by obtaining a formal declaration of war), I believe that we have prosecuted the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq with little regard to the safety of our own military personnel, and we should have, as appeared in another article posted elsewhere, gotten in, won the war, and gotten out. But what to do about "leaders" like Ahmadinijad, who have the disposition to really harm our interests, even if they currently lack the capability? That's where I am, I think, in disagreement with this author.
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Post by Doc Trock Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:09 pm

Owen 16 wrote:But what to do about "leaders" like Ahmadinijad, who have the disposition to really harm our interests, even if they currently lack the capability? That's where I am, I think, in disagreement with this author.

How about do nothing?

In other words, do nothing about Achmadinijead, but definitely do SOMETHING about America's security.

1.)secure the border
2.)pay close attention to Mahmood....very close attention. If he attacks, or we determine an attack is imminent.....lights out.
3.)In the meantime, as long as they aren't attacking us, or are about to attack us.....what's the problem?

Iran is no threat to the US.....neither was Iraq. A-ghan....well, there shouldn't be a place with that name today....
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Post by Owen 16 Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:07 pm

Doc Trock wrote:
Owen 16 wrote:But what to do about "leaders" like Ahmadinijad, who have the disposition to really harm our interests, even if they currently lack the capability? That's where I am, I think, in disagreement with this author.

How about do nothing?

In other words, do nothing about Achmadinijead, but definitely do SOMETHING about America's security.

1.)secure the border
2.)pay close attention to Mahmood....very close attention. If he attacks, or we determine an attack is imminent.....lights out.
3.)In the meantime, as long as they aren't attacking us, or are about to attack us.....what's the problem?

Iran is no threat to the US.....neither was Iraq. A-ghan....well, there shouldn't be a place with that name today....

No disagreement on point 1. None of our borders should be as porous as they are now (and I say this as a person who lives in Detroit and has long had, and enjoyed, unfettered access to Canada). I would also agree, to an extent, on point 2 and 3. I don't think we should attack Iran unless an attack is eminent. My conundrum is, how to tell when an attack is eminent? I'm sure there were people who were having this discussion in relation to Tojo and Japan in 1940 and 1941.
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Post by imaginethat Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:07 am

I believe preemption is inconsistent with the founding principles of a nation such as ours, for the very reason you mention Owen: How do we determine when an attack is imminent?

In most cases, we will not be able to make that determination.

The neocon/progressive/"lovers of government power"/"those who profit off of wars and especially wars that go on and on" are an impressive bunch. Conservatives (without the quotes) were indeed drawn into supporting this bunch by the neocon wing of it, and the MO was simple: Neocons "oppose" gay marriage, and other forms of godless liberalism.

They say,....

But, they are shoulder-to-shoulder with "liberals" on many other issues, and issues that go to the core of our form of government. Neocons share with liberals the desire for ever-greater government and government control ... and let's face it: a love for war as a means to the end of more government and more government control, as Obama has most recently has shown us.

Also, both "sides" like to stick their noses into education, and health care. Neither side has any problem with budget deficits, or using government to promote "morality."

But back to how conservatives became "conservatives," that's something directly attributable to the neocons, and their fear-mongering, and their love and promotion of the decidely anti-American concept of preemption to protect the "homeland," all accepted by conservatives because of certain "moral" positions held by neocons.

That's how conservatives became "conservatives" and now, many "conservatives" have forgotten what being a conservative means....
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